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Post by Noelle on Sept 28, 2011 10:34:18 GMT -5
Is there an easier way to get the two shades of gray besides coloring with copics? It takes Alot of time to cut around the entire shape.
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Post by Susan on Sept 28, 2011 11:13:58 GMT -5
Noelle I don't think I understand your question...
the dragon outline is one shape, and the pieces that fit inside of the outline is another part of the shape.
cut from two different colors of gray...
is that how you're doing it???
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Post by Basketlady on Sept 28, 2011 11:35:33 GMT -5
Are you talking about the newest dragon? When I cut him out, I cut him out twice, once out of each shade of grey. I left one dragon whole--I didn't punch out any of the little pieces. The second (outline) color, I punched out the small pieces and then put that on top of the first dragon. There weren't any small pieces to put in place that way and he can be assembled in just a few minutes.
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Post by Noelle on Sept 28, 2011 14:34:22 GMT -5
Hmm I was cutting around the entire shape with scissors for the light gray but if I cut in two different colors wouldn't the pieces fall through without anything to attach to?
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Post by Lorie Ann on Sept 28, 2011 15:05:29 GMT -5
Noelle: I cut out the background, run it through my xyron and put it down, then cut it out again, pop out areas that dont need to be on top and stick that piece down. If you are doing cuts for e-bay I dont know what to suggest. Well for my halloween interactive card I cut the haunted out in black and then poped out the windows then cut strips of yellow paper and secured that to the back so it'd show up in the front.
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Post by Susan on Sept 28, 2011 16:15:15 GMT -5
OH  are you cutting shapes to sell? I can't hear you - la la la la la la la - nope, can't hear anything...  |
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Post by Noelle on Sept 28, 2011 17:07:42 GMT -5
Huh? What do you mean Susan?
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Post by Lorie Ann on Sept 28, 2011 17:15:14 GMT -5
something fishy going on with the board on my phone...
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Post by Lorie Ann on Sept 28, 2011 17:27:16 GMT -5
I think that was to be sell not see? Is having the person put it together an option? I got a die cut once in a small bag with a picture of the finished project (in colors I chose) and then I put it together.
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Post by Nikki on Sept 28, 2011 17:46:47 GMT -5
Susan's assuming you are just cutting out stuff to see how it looks or to show others, because LC doesn't allow people to sell its cuts online (because it affects their sales). SO Susan is going to continue assuming that no one would ever ever do that! See no evil, hear no evil!
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Post by Susan on Sept 28, 2011 18:16:37 GMT -5
Nikki - THANKS!  as an "employee" of both the manufacturer and the company who designed the die you're talking about, I'm going to remove myself from this conversation! thanks! |
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Post by Noelle on Sept 28, 2011 18:26:09 GMT -5
Really? I thought you were allowed to sell the cutouts you make with the die. Is this a new rule? If you buy the die and the paper then why not especially exclusive ones. Not everyone who scraps can afford a die cutting machine.
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Post by Nikki on Sept 28, 2011 18:34:21 GMT -5
It's always been a rule as long as I can remember, from when I sold the first QuicKutz in my shop years ago. The policy on their site is:
QuicKutz shapes, designs, and letters may not be sold on their own. When pre-cut die cuts are sold on a stand alone basis or in packages, this undercuts sales of QuicKutz dies and digital downloads which are the heart of our business. We will not have any problem with a good customer who cuts out a few shapes for friends or even sells shapes to a small number individuals who can't afford to purchase our cutting systems, but we hope our customers will respect our rights and refrain from selling die cuts online or on a regular retail basis. Such sales are unfair to Lifestyle Crafts and illegal.
You CAN, however, do this without repercussion:
QuicKutz shapes, designs, and letters may be sold as part of a greeting card, tag, kit, custom scrapbook page, or other product if the product being sold includes significant additional creative content and/or significant embellishments or enhancements that go well beyond the QuicKutz element.
In any case, if you want to read more, you can go to the LC site and look for the Policies link at the bottom. Not trying to be a downer, but certainly wouldn't want you or anyone else to get into some legal trouble when it's so easily avoidable!
Another thing to keep in mind is that because the dragon is a Scrapy Land exclusive, it could potentially take sales of the Exclusive dies from Scrapy Land as well as the regular shapes, which is definitely unfortunate.
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Post by Noelle on Sept 28, 2011 18:43:08 GMT -5
I was completely unaware of this. I don't see the difference of selling it on a card instead but I was definitely not trying to break any rules. I haven't sold any dragons. Now you are allowed to resell the actual metal dies correct?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 18:52:13 GMT -5
It's always been a rule as long as I can remember, from when I sold the first QuicKutz in my shop years ago. ... Another thing to keep in mind is that because the dragon is a Scrapy Land exclusive, it could potentially take sales of the Exclusive dies from Scrapy Land as well as the regular shapes, which is definitely unfortunate. Not to mention that there's the "little" rule about copyright infringement. I remember reading a post on a MB a long time ago, where the individual had made computer "copies" of various dies, with the intention of selling the CDs on Ebay. I never saw them on the Ebay site, so I assume that the person changed his/her mind. |
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Post by Noelle on Sept 28, 2011 19:04:17 GMT -5
It also says in the policies that they don't mind if die cuts are sold to a small amount of individuals who can't afford the machine. I've never sold to a large amount of people and I make barely anything after fees. So do i need to contact them to find out if this is okay? I definitely didn't have an intention on decreasing business for others
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 19:09:29 GMT -5
Noelle, if you want to be absolutely clear on the policy (and I'll agree that reading it is a bit confusing..."a few friends" means how many?), it wouldn't hurt to ask them for clarification, because I can't imagine that you would be out to cheat the system!  |
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Post by Susan on Sept 28, 2011 19:11:51 GMT -5
let me just add - with Exclusives that have been manufactured for Scrapy Land, the first person you'd need to ask would be Dani. As he is the copyright holder for that design/pattern/shape. Copyright is a very touchy/personal subject for me, so again I am just going to bow out quietly!!  |
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Post by Noelle on Sept 28, 2011 19:22:39 GMT -5
I had no idea it was such an issue especially for ones that are no longer available for purchase. I don't want any company upset/mad with me, so I'm going to wait for a response from Lifestyle Crafts and go from there. I thought it more promoted the product than took away from sales, and figured it was legal because there are others on ebay doing the same thing. If it's more hassle than it's worth, I will end all listings.
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Post by Nikki on Sept 29, 2011 3:56:42 GMT -5
Keep in mind that while it says you can sell to a few people who can't afford the machine, it also says right after that to refrain from selling them online and regularly. Selling a card or page layout that incorporates the shapes is totally different than selling mass produced shape cutouts. When it's a card, for example, it's considered more of a handmade craft or original project, so long as its more than just a folded piece of cardstock with the shape stuck on top and that's all. I'm just trying to help explain their stance. I'm not fussing at you or telling you what to do-you have a brain and are certainly able to decide whether you want to keep doing it. I know others do it and I know you can't make a killing off them, but do be mindful about it. The copyrights for both LC and SL, just all the legal stuff it could get you mixed up in. For me, it's just not worth it. You just never know when LC will decide to start monitoring what goes on at eBay more closely and begin to take action. Also, like Susan pointed out, the company who an Exclusive is named for, like the dragon is SL's and other sites/stores have their own shapes, own the rights to those designs too. Each company may have it's own policies to prevent misuse of the shapes for their protection, so you'd need to look into what those people have to say as well. You are too kind and sweet to have to deal with anything nasty like that!!! And again, I'm just trying to be helpful and explain things as best I can. |
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Post by Lorie Ann on Sept 29, 2011 9:00:51 GMT -5
Very well said Nikki! And I never knew it wasnt allowed either. I bought 1 shape on Ebay as the die was going for over $100 and I only needed 1 shape for a layout. I paid $1.25 for the cut out which was pretty much paper so she made maybe .25c if that. So yea people arent making a living off of it. I remember when Provo Craft was monitoring Ebay. Surprised Qk/LSC never has.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 10:26:00 GMT -5
Very well said Nikki! ... I remember when Provo Craft was monitoring Ebay. Surprised Qk/LSC never has. I agree...well said, Nikki! I don't believe that most people stay up all night plotting and planning a way to get around the rules, but innocently believe that they are helping folks who only need a die cut, and will never use the die again. (And remember how really, very pricey the tool(s) and dies were in the beginning? I think I paid nearly $80 for the Squeeze! ) And I'm assuming that most, if not all, manufacturers occasionally take a look at Ebay and other sites, to see if their policies are being violated. As evidence, a while back, I had purchased a die cut, and got notification that the seller was not being allowed to complete the transaction because of a copyright violation. Hmmm.... |
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Post by Noelle on Sept 29, 2011 11:05:10 GMT -5
I got a reply from LC, but they didn't explain the policy just copied it from the website so I emailed them back and asked in more detail for them to explain. Ebay has never notified me of any policy violation, so I'm just very suprised. I was just doing it to be nice as I don't have much benefit from it as far as money. How would selling precut die cuts for an exclusive that's no longer available by a store affect sales though?
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Post by Noelle on Sept 29, 2011 11:09:25 GMT -5
HA! Look this is what they said:
" We apologize that our policy wasn't clear about the specific amount
of individuals. Go ahead and sell the pre-cut dies on ebay. Let us
know if there is anything else you need."
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Post by Noelle on Sept 29, 2011 11:14:42 GMT -5
I also just sent Dani an email to ask his permission because that way I have everyone's permission. I'm really not trying to do anything wrong here!
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Post by Susan on Sept 29, 2011 11:22:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 13:11:03 GMT -5
Noelle, I don't think anyone was atrying to accuse you of doing anything illegal, but more likely we/they were trying to protect you from getting into any problems. I'm happy that LC was willing to clarify their somewhat ambiguous statement. Hopefully other manufacturers will do the same thing, if necessary. It's probably a good idea for anyone to ask permission first, and now we all know that! |
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Post by Noelle on Sept 29, 2011 13:24:08 GMT -5
I guess you learn something new every day! I just don't want Susan or Dani upset with me because I love Scrapyland and they both do an outstanding job with it!
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Post by Dani on Oct 1, 2011 20:08:19 GMT -5
Just a bit of history...
There used to be a time probably 6-7 years ago when I first started in this that everyone was policing ebay.
Quickutz, Sizzix, Provo Craft, etc. Those where the years where big money was made and the companies didnt want anything affecting sales. Back then I was also selling on Ebay mostly to get free advertising fro SL and I clearly remember getting listings canceled at the request of the companies.
I think in today's environment companies are just happy that their stuff sells. Whether this is good or bad, I have my very strong opinions (Susan knows all bout these lol) but companies want to survive.
Back to the issue at hand I cant speak for LC but apparently they clarified their position to Noelle.
From my standpoint, I dont mind retired stuff to be sold as standalone shapes but obviously if you ask me about in stock dies which are marked very affordable at $18 I would much rather people dont sell the die cut by itself.
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