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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2008 11:49:15 GMT -5
I wonder why the seller(s) don't put the "C" in the auction title, although the die number is listed. Oh wait...I don't wonder at all, but am sad to think that maybe they are hoping that a potential buyer won't notice the "C" in the item description.
It's a metal die, and if a buyer wants the shape, and the price is right, that's fine...but it's not techically RETIRED with the "C" number!
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Post by missemy on Dec 11, 2008 12:15:20 GMT -5
I went ahead and emailed one of the sellers. I asked her why the #s didn't match up. She said that they were re-released, yet were still very rare. I emailed her back and said "Really, as the minimum purchase is 500", and proceed to share with her that she should state that in her ad in that there are people that collect these and won't like to be mislead. Especially in that she had a different # in the title.
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Post by Dani on Dec 11, 2008 12:57:57 GMT -5
Ive had a chat with QK regarding the issue.
Apparently the dies where released to a store who in fact ordered 500 each.
The dies are CUSTOM dies. The fact that the Ebay sellers are selling them as retired is simply wrong. BY now there are already a few different Ebay accounts which are selling the same dies. All are related.
I would suggest everyone who recently bought dies from them with a C in front of the number to leave negative feedback. It is not fair for you to pay top $ for a custom die. This is plain cheating.
Just for your information every single one of my retired dies is the real retired . None has a C in front. I have lowered the price on most dies to make them more accessible.
I think you should pass this information to your friends so everyone should be aware. maybe we should post in other MB to alert the real QK addicts.
I would hate it to think I am buying an "antique" when I am really buying a 2008 model.
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Post by Dania on Dec 11, 2008 12:59:29 GMT -5
I've had it! I wrote to one to:
Your auctions are misleading. These are not rare die they are re-makes. You need to state that in your auction. It is not right to mislead collectors. I think it is called false advertising.
I'm not a collector, but I would be willing to pay a little more for a retired die!
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Post by missemy on Dec 11, 2008 13:13:02 GMT -5
man, I hope QK does something regarding their employees. The seller has not emailed me back...don't know why? Yeah, if it was something QK decided to do, I could maybe see, but this is very much wrong. Thanks Dani for reserching it. sounds like a real mess.
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Post by ellyp on Dec 11, 2008 13:16:20 GMT -5
I would hate it to think I am buying an "antique" when I am really buying a 2008 model. Especially considering the metal is different on the newer dies (seems not as strong to me personally) and the original dies were made in the USA not China! I bet you anything that the seller in not spending $7000 per 500 rereleased retired dies.
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Post by missemy on Dec 11, 2008 13:20:27 GMT -5
I would think, at least the single dies wholesale for 2.50 a piece. give or take in that they probably got a deal, so 1250 per single dies...again give or take.
oh, I went and googled MB QK, and found a lot, but having bad brain fog today so really couldn't assimulate enough information to make up all new accounts. shame it's not like here that you can just give a quick message and go on.
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Post by jenn on Dec 11, 2008 13:56:03 GMT -5
I emailed the seller and told them what I now know and that positive feedback will not be forthcoming. Let's see if they contact me and offer a solution.
Jenn
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Post by sparkle on Dec 11, 2008 14:02:38 GMT -5
I was lucky to get my die at a low price (GBP£9.99). But I wouldn't have been happy to pay the BIN prices for a custom die being past off as an original.
HOWEVER, The only advantage with them selling at a high price is that it does not devalue the originals that are out there. This might happen if they do disclose the fact they are custom dies and lower the price.
This does depend on the person who is buying them and whether they care if the die is original or not since, it is still a genuine QK die.
I don't agree with it on one hand, but on the otherhand it does have a negative effect on the value of originals especially if people did buy them as an investment.
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Post by sparkle on Dec 11, 2008 14:04:27 GMT -5
Ive had a chat with QK regarding the issue. Apparently the dies where released to a store who in fact ordered 500 each. Apparently the whole deal was done "under the table" with management not really knowing what was happening. The dies are CUSTOM dies. The fact that the Ebay sellers are selling them as retired is simply wrong. BY now there are already a few different Ebay accounts which are selling the same dies. All are related. I would suggest everyone who recently bought dies from them with a C in front of the number to leave negative feedback. It is not fair for you to pay top $ for a custom die. This is plain cheating. Just for your information every single one of my retired dies is the real retired . None has a C in front. I have lowered the price on most dies to make them more accessible. I think you should pass this information to your friends so everyone should be aware. maybe we should post in other MB to alert the real QK addicts. I would hate it to think I am buying an "antique" when I am really buying a 2008 model. Thanks for finding out more. I hope I didn't rock the boat too much by bringing this up, but I felt it was wrong and needed to 'whistle blow'! Did they say which one's she did have rights over?
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Post by jenn on Dec 11, 2008 14:25:24 GMT -5
I did not go through her entire store inventory, but in about three minutes I found 23 reissues that are being passed off as retired and rare. Oh well, one bad ebay experience in 5 years is not so bad. But for now on no more ebay for retired dies. I am sticking with Dani, because not there is no way to tell which dies are really the retired ones because there are so many knock offs floating around right now.
Jenn
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Post by missemy on Dec 11, 2008 14:55:05 GMT -5
Thank you for your concern, Emily. I am just pitching the product on eBay as it has been pitched and relayed to me. I came across these products in the recent past. I am not a buyer/retailer and only have a few of these dies. So, to say that the die is not Rare would be incorrect. They are rare to me (since I only have a few) and from everything that I have read, they are rare to the industry/world. If you have heard anything different than that, it is news to me. Please let me know if you have any more questions or concerns. Thanks for your feedback. " This is what I just got from one of the sellers on e. I wrote her back that there are people aware of what is going, and that I wouldn't share anything other than that. Also that I didn't really beleive her in that why not have the C in front of the # in the title. WHile, maybe she just somehow came across these dies, and didn't know? very odd.
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Post by jenn on Dec 11, 2008 15:12:37 GMT -5
I do not think that is the same seller as the one I am dealing with. The seller I bought from states that they are an "authorized Qk retailer." Also I love the defination of rare... "rare to me as I only have a few"... in that case I have a "rare Qk penguin." I only have one of them... Lets start the bidding at $75.00 please. jenn
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Post by missemy on Dec 11, 2008 15:20:56 GMT -5
I do not think that is the same seller as the one I am dealing with. The seller I bought from states that they are an "authorized Qk retailer." Also I love the defination of rare... "rare to me as I only have a few"... in that case I have a "rare Qk penguin." I only have one of them... Lets start the bidding at $75.00 please. jenn I called her on it too, I questioned that if she were to truly call something rare she should research it a bit more, not assume it was rare as it was a bit myoptic to assume she was the only one with a few. her name starts with a K, but didn't feel I should post her name. unreal.
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Post by brockadoodle on Dec 11, 2008 17:35:22 GMT -5
I do not think that is the same seller as the one I am dealing with. The seller I bought from states that they are an "authorized Qk retailer." Also I love the defination of rare... "rare to me as I only have a few"... in that case I have a "rare Qk penguin." I only have one of them... Lets start the bidding at $75.00 please. jenn I called her on it too, I questioned that if she were to truly call something rare she should research it a bit more, not assume it was rare as it was a bit myoptic to assume she was the only one with a few. her name starts with a K, but didn't feel I should post her name. unreal. The lady you are both are talking are are one and then same. She started another ebay name to sell just the so called retired dies.
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Post by missemy on Dec 11, 2008 17:42:43 GMT -5
I knew it, that was my next thought in that it was suspicious she is a newbie, 0 for her feedback. My thought was that she did that so if she got a negative she wouldn't care.....I knew it was suspicious.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2008 19:52:45 GMT -5
Is the fact that they are being represented as "retired", rather than "custom" dishonest enough to alert Ebay fraud? Or is that just an over-the-top reaction? I have SUCH low tolerance for dishonesty! ***And I didn't even buy any of these!!!
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Post by missemy on Dec 11, 2008 20:14:40 GMT -5
Is the fact that they are being represented as "retired", rather than "custom" dishonest enough to alert Ebay fraud? Or is that just an over-the-top reaction? I have SUCH low tolerance for dishonesty! ***And I didn't even buy any of these!!! I am the same way. My DH said. why do you care so much, well, as I said--slow day for me--but it gives me purpose to feel like I am righting a wrong somewhere today. that being said I emailed ebay already. as I was writing it it seemed a little lame, the reason I mean, as really the term "rare" comes down to an opinion. But I think what is the kicker is she doens't include "C" in the title. ANd frankly if she had said in the ad that she decided to have these made as she wanted more people to enjoy QK dies, I could have bought (literally) that one. But with her emails she jsut kept digging herself into a hole in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2008 20:24:38 GMT -5
I'm sure it wasn't lame! Ebay needs to know if the auctions look "iffy", and then it's up to them to take a look and decide if they want to do anything. At the least, maybe they'll ask her to make her descriptions a little more truthful!
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Post by missemy on Dec 11, 2008 21:00:21 GMT -5
I would think at the very least. And not lame to me, just wondering what, from their point of view is she doing wrong. but yeah, the c thing is what could be false advertising. does she have to disclose what "C" means? not sure. but I would think that most collectors would know. But, I did tell her people were on to her. Oh, I should have been a cop. But my head is too big for hat ;D
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Post by MBstang on Dec 11, 2008 22:14:10 GMT -5
I started a thread in late October about the Paint Brush and Palette that I bought on E that I thought would be rare and to my shock they were made in CHINA. They have the C on the die like Dani described. When I called QK on it they could only say that they were not counterfiet! No other details were offered. I even called them weeks later to follow up. I did tell Brian that I was disappointed with QK for allowing this to happen. I like the way the old dies feel and the fact that they were not as flexible! I also liked the fact that they were made in the U.S.A. Yes, I do buy the new ones made in China, but when I buy them I know that fact. I don't care for all this misrepresentation by sellers trying to make such a profit off of unsuspecting QK addicts. I just appreciate honesty, that is all... Thanks for the info Dani. It helped solve my little mystery!
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Post by Dania on Dec 11, 2008 22:51:11 GMT -5
Well, I did get a reply back: Thank You for your Concern. These are a re-release of a retired rare die. They are Very Rare, and Very Limited. Please Contact me with any Other Questions. Thank You. This entire thing just doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by vicki7 on Dec 11, 2008 23:06:52 GMT -5
I would think at how much these are going for, people are not aware they aren't the original retired dies. I guess it's like people putting quickutz in a title when it's actually a sizzix die, etc. Not right. Vicki
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Post by sparkle on Dec 12, 2008 4:52:34 GMT -5
I think this thread is about raising awareness to the fact that these are QUICKUTZ custom and not original retired dies out there. Putting it into perspective - If she has only made 500 of each then they are limited, and are relatively collectable - similar to other store designed exclusive - only difference being they are existing QK designs. The die I received was made in the USA and not China. It was also pre-foamed, so tested, and worked perfectly - so on the postive side, I'm thinking how many older dies did I buy that didn't cut very well? What price the seller puts on the dies she has invested in is her choice and what we pay for them is ours. My only disagreement is that she doesn't disclose them as being custom dies. At the very least the listings should state - 'these are new Quickutz custom dies limited to only 500 in number' There are those of us who have moaned about the price of some custom/retired dies who might actually welcome the these dies. If 500 Halibut were made again I think a lot of us (except Jane ) would grab it with both hands! At the end of the day, if we have all the information, then we have a choice and can decide whether we should buy or not to buy.
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Post by jenn on Dec 12, 2008 7:36:56 GMT -5
Well, here is my letter. The plot thickens. "The die is still retired and discontinued and no one can purchase these items. That is what the letter -C- stands for in front of the number listed in our description as well as the picture of the packaging is also shown in the body of the description. Nothing was misrepresented, the die is STILL discontinued, and is STILL retired, and I did in fact mark the number with a -C- in front of the number marking it as a custom die, and I also showed the packaging so that you could see it was not packaged in the blue package. But, I certainly was not trying to get away with anything or I wouldn't have shown the picture of the actual die. Nor put the -C- in the front of the item number. And as I said, this die is STILL discontinued and STILL Retired. " However when I bought the item, I am 99% sure that there was just the standard Qk picture of a blue whale and not the actual photo of the packaging. She says that I can return the die. My SO says that I should ignore her since she can't leave me negitive feedback and just enjoy the whale. This is what my SO said. " Retired dies are no longer manufacuted. Custom dies are just that...manufactured at a later date and released. Your retired dies do not have a c embossed on the actual die. That fact alone, makes the die not retired. The listing should clearly state as such, lest you anger the QK gods." My SO understands! "Now go make a label for your little whale and put it in the purple binder so that it knows that it is loved. It is not the die's fault that it is marked with an ugly c" Jenn
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Post by vicki7 on Dec 12, 2008 9:00:08 GMT -5
Yes, it should state the C in the title and it should be explained. And as I said, I don't think people are understanding that part and that's why the prices are going so high. If I could get one for a decent price, I wouldn't care if it had a C on it but not for the price the real retireds are going for. Vicki ps. Now Dani, if you had discounted the lizard, I would have bought one but he didn't go down in price
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Post by MBstang on Dec 12, 2008 9:19:34 GMT -5
I will enjoy and use my paintbrush and palette. But I would not have spent the money I did on it if I had realized the truth of it all. This is final reason that I decided to go ahead and get a Sil--- now I can download the hamburger and lizard and cut them in any size I want, without paying a big price for them. Downside is that not all the shapes are available as downloads. But I think I have enough to choose from to keep me busy. ;D Now if only I could get a block of free time to set up and play with my Sil! At times I am very computer challenged! But I will get there eventually. I guess the bottom line is --- Buyer Beware!
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Post by jenn on Dec 12, 2008 10:21:06 GMT -5
I will enjoy and use my paintbrush and palette. But I would not have spent the money I did on it if I had realized the truth of it all. Neither would I. Jenn
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Post by dutchgirl on Dec 12, 2008 10:34:19 GMT -5
Jenn, at least you'll have a genuine retired die on it's way to you.. no C on the package or the die, and it is the original blue package too....
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Post by jenn on Dec 12, 2008 10:48:56 GMT -5
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